Her body can go on like this for years, as long as her pressure sores are not allowed to get infected. Stories from the trauma bay: Jahi McMath I believe some of your questions have been answered in the comments and FAQ of this blog. What a fascinating series of questions and issues you bring. After hearing his prognosis I think the family may have eased his passage. I'm going to make a fallacy argument, BMI is based off a military young white male, fast forward 50 years and we come to find out minorities and females have different body structures and they don't always fit in the parameters of the original BMI.. "I agree with DocB that the cases aren't comparable to Jahi McMath but I did specifically ask Dr. Franklin about post mortem studies in PVS patients. and the problem is getting a test subject in circumstances where everybody is willing to use them for a test subject. Reading Jahis obituary to the crowd of mourners dressed in purple summer dresses and white boutonnieres, Johnson offered a vibrant portrait of the girl whose case pitted a deeply Christian family against what it said is a callous medical establishment. But, the counselor in me says, the mother isn't mourning, and is seeing what she wants to see and is stuck in denial and bargaining of the grief process.. And when the time comes this fight will have hurt more than helped..In California death laws state, the body is the next of kin property.. Once they issued that death certificate that body belongs to the family and they have every right to do as they please for lack of better terminology, please don't be a smartass and say necrophilia..I don't get how they did the transition from death to on a flight with all life support still intact, once she was declared the hospital didn't remove the tubes and vent? My wishes are verbally known to my family AND all legal documents have been completed/filed to accomplish this in accordance with my wishes. And while I agree the mother needs psyche care, her motivations for her antics look like greed and deceit to me. Does that mean she could conceive? "which some versions of the story have it that CHO would really rather not have had the family there at all at that point in the procedure. Stories from the trauma bay: Jahi McMath updatesort of To Jahis mother, the years in New Jersey were both a hardship and a victory. [14] Additionally, the lawsuit alleges that McMath bled from approximately 7:30p.m. to 12:35a.m.,[14] that a doctor said [expletive], her heart stopped when he arrived hours after the family said they requested a doctor,[60] and that the family was given conflicting information from nurses regarding how to care for McMath's bleeding. Its not like we all look like we just saw the girl from the Ring. Are there other videos of her hands randomly moving when she's alone & can't be responding to someone's voice? The Keep Jahi McMath on Life Support page hasn't been updated since February. Jahi's body appears to look ok because it is receiving oxygen and nutrients. Complaint Review: Nailah Winkfield C/O Gofundme for Jahi McMath. Ooooooh boy. Why isn't her skin deteriorating, her hair falling out? A mourner hugs Marvin Winkfield, left, stepfather of Jahi McMath, following the girl's funeral on Friday, July 6, 2018, in Oakland, Calif. Pallbearers transport Jahi McMath's coffin from her funeral on Friday, July 6, 2018, in Oakland, Calif. 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Someone needs some research money and a "willing" patient to watch the metabolic/organic breakdown of the not so dead, for the cases like Jahi. Dr. Calixto believes she inhabits some new, unnamed category of alternate consciousness but even he didn't suggest she is in a PVS or a minimally conscious state.It's also interesting that both Quinlan and Bland lost significant body mass while Jahi still seems to retain hers. At the beginning of the saga, everyone expressed disbelief that this would extend beyond a few days, because it only very rarely does for several reasons. All we ever see of Jahi are photos of a contracted, rotting hand here, or a foot there. What it is to us is that public resources are used to keep someone like Jahi "alive." How has she avoided sepsis? It is just as likely that the information we get for new advanced imaging in brain death will solidify the question rather than leave doubt. There is also the burden to the public health system, which is less relevant. No one pays for it themselves. There have been more than a few cases who were declared brain dead and were alive and recovered. Perhaps Jahi is temporarily dead for tax purposes?Zaphod Beeblebrox: Did you talk to the big noiseboy?Ford Prefect: Hotblack? They did give a death certificate but her mom is keeping her on the machines. When this first happened, I put a number of respectful comments on their Facebook page eventually they saw that I didn't agree with them and I was blockedBUTtoday I do question those who said she was brain dead as almost every medical professional had spoke of our brain liquedifying soon etcand that there was no way this would go on beyond months.I do now think that if life support was not taken off initially so soon perhaps should would have had a chance.I was just reading about a woman in 20 years of coma (I know Jahi is beyond that) waking up and had been conscious and aware all those 20 years. Four and a half years since she was pronounced dead at age 13 by the Alameda County coroner's office, Oakland teen Jahi McMath will be buried at a cemetery in Hayward, bringing some emotional . [39] After receiving custody of McMath from Children's Hospital, the Coroner then released her to the custody of her mother, who was warned of and assumed all risk regarding cardiac arrest during the transfer. Thank you. Jahi McMath, the Oakland teen whose brain-death case captivated the world while machines kept her breathing, was finally removed from those machines on June 22 in New Jersey after suffering from. and yes, they are acting out in response to the neglect. What the mom is doing is not only disgusting but it's dishonorable to her daughter who passed. Just my opinion. There are innumerable stories of comatose patients waking up after months or years and making dramatic recoveries. Doc Bastard:I think you are missing the bigger point. ie: elderly/disabled patients that have family members being paid to care for their loved ones. The family of 15-year-old Jahi McMath released a photo of her last week. New Jersey had the facts when they admitted Jahi to Medicaid, including the facts about the death certificate. 2018 Aug;29(1):20-22. doi: 10.1007/s12028-018-0561-5. It's about that time again, folks: time to revisit the tragic story of Jahi McMath. I have a question. They are milking the system! I appreciate the thoughtful answer. !Also if she was white you wouldn't say have the crap you do! [34] McMath's mother argued that applying the Uniform Determination of Death Act to the case was a violation of constitutional religious and privacy rights[35] and that because Jahi's heart was still beating, she was still alive. What about that "quack" Doc Bastard? She sold her house in Oakland and quit her job to care for Jahi, who she said could move her fingers in response to commands and even began menstruating. Children's Hospital Oakland maintained that the original diagnosis of brain death was correct and that the videos do not meet the diagnostic criteria for brain death. OF course a medical examination will show that she hasn't grown a new brain and remains dead. I mean seriously, what is it to keep her alive .50 a year out of the millions of tax payers pockets? For the remainder of her life, expect to hear in one way or another (books or movies) how MomNails was oh so forced to "kill" i.e. The Extraordinary Case of Jahi McMath - PubMed Certainly donations more so in the beginning probably ensured their survival & set up in NJ & for the apartment. If I were her mom & I called her name & her hand moved, then I called her name again it moved AGAIN & she opened her fingers & dropped what she'd been holding, you could NEVER convince me my daughter can't hear. I hope you are OK as it has been a long time since your last post.If you are having some well deserved vacation time, may it be filled with fun and frolics.Keep up the good work. A side effect of these steroids is fatty deposition particularly in the face and upper back. Money Metals Exchange, LLC Michelle Blackburn, Matt Johnston Quoted one price and charged another. Eventually even with the machines Jahi body will be the one that says enough is enough and her mom wont be able to stop whatever happens. This test result establishes to a reasonable degree of medical certainty that J. McMath cannot respond to verbal commands because she has no cerebral mechanism to hear sound. The Alameda County Coroner . I believe this may be kind of related. This is because they know of the case, not because of Facebook campaigns. If they didn't want people commenting on it, they wouldn't have put in in the news in the first place. Living on a machine will not make me be me, and it will not fix regrets or bring comfort, if I die mine will not stop loving me, so forcing me to be alive so you mine can continue to love me, is not justification.. My family had to remove a very young uncle off life support, 23 years old.. Was shot execution style in a home burglary. - or in other words, wants to turn them into a bizarre medical experiment. Jahi McMath to be buried in Hayward while fight over her death - SFGATE Arms, legs, feet. there is still a possibility she believes the state of California and CHO wants to kill her baby; some delusions can be incredibly persistent, and she has a very vocal "support group" promoting that delusion. Jahi McMath was a 13-year-old girl who was declared brain dead on December 12, 2013, after a hemorrhagic complication following complex oropharyngeal surgery. Stories about general surgery, trauma surgery, dumb patients, dumb doctors, and dumb shit from the dumb world around us. that being that her appearance has more to do with photo manipulation than medicine. Now that we get some actual facts, instead of lay persons interpretations, it sounds as if she aspirated some blood - probably clots. Jahi Mcmath Photos and Premium High Res Pictures - Getty Images I doubt there will be much left, especially if the hospital file for an appeal. I totally agree!!! There have been no real advancements made in the legal trial, though there has been the usual and expected back . there were even unsubstantiated rumors that they has smuggled in solid food and fed it to her.it will take a full investigation to determine if the family did anything that caused the bleed; and there were suspicions that the circus was partly to give time for any evidence to disappear. we are not liable for what they did. I believe the only reason this case is debatable is because people still mistake Brain Death with a coma. This is how Jahi McMath's grandmother, Sandra, describes having been treated by one of the doctors at the Oakland's Children Hospital ICU. I stop my guys banter and said- keep it fkn PC, it's called removing life support, the loved one on life support isn't a laptop or computer you just pull the cord out of the wall, and sometimes when you do remove somatic care the body still "lives" after for a short time.. Don't be callous, you never know who has experienced this, as I glance over to my near tears call receiver.. There she became statutorily resurrected and was treated as a comatose, living patient for the next four and a half years. During a news conference held Tuesday at the San Francisco office of her pro bono lawyer, Christopher Dolan, Nailah Winkfield insisted the doctors would have fought harder to save Jahi had she been white. Apparently a buddy of theirs went on a oxy/meth binger, and had a stroke and heart attack, they had him on life support for a week and decided to remove it and the guy is still breathing on his own, they said it would take three days for shut down, they removed it Wednesday and it was Saturday when we talked.. Can't anyone come to their senses and force this family to let go? There is video released by nailah that supposedly demonstrates Jahi coloring. The lawsuit, let's not forget lawyers take 40 % off the top, there is taxes to be paid & a lot of addt bills that accumulated from those shenanigan doctors, that surround them. She was blind not because there was something wrong with her eyes, but because her brain was not there to process visual input. Why else would she go to great lengths to create carefully edited photos, videos and outright Photoshop techniques? Thanks for taking the time to keep us posted on this case. I doubt anything short of McMath's heart stopping will convince her mom but legally, from what I understand, fMRI studies aren't even admissible as a lie detection method because the results can be too variable.I'm curious whether there would still be brain structure left after all this time on somatic support. The young man is now fully functioning, thankfully he was in a coma in a time when people didn't put money before children's lives. All of our brain death criteria were formulated decades ago before most of today's high-tech imaging.Let me make two points - First the routine diagnosis of brain death should not change as of today. In: StatPearls [Internet]. Jahi's case most likely represents an instance of global ischemic penumbra (GIP) mimicking brain death (BD), with intracranial blood flow too low to support neuronal function or to be detected by radionuclide scan but sufficient to prevent widespread necrosis. Without being allowed to do more studies on her we can tell you from a study of her brain three years ago she is dead kept "alive" by machines and medicines, however, she should have had some form of breakdown and her heart by studies should have stopped and disallowed her body to continue being kept artificially alive by somatic support.. Ok, that makes sense. This led to a bioethical debate engendered by her family's rejection of the medicolegal findings of death in the case, and their efforts to maintain her body using mechanical ventilation and other measures. With a DC, the limit is $250,000. she's not just mostly dead, she's go through her pockets and look for loose change dead. This poor mother claims to be leaving this up to God, while conveniently ignoring that fact that she has manipulated this entire situation. Chump change, according to the uncle. That must fill any person with tremendous amounts of grief & even more so guilt; as well as the hope to undo one's own mistakes by hoping she will wake up & say I am okay you have done nothing wrong..We can wonder all day long what her motivations are to keep her daughter in such state. In September 2016 the family announced that Jahi is initiating breaths on her own. Born in Berkeley, she graduated from Cal with a degree in rhetoric and is now raising two daughters in El Cerrito. 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