While Maris may not be a household name for younger MLB fans, Aaron Judge's quest for 62 home runs has shone a little on the former New York slugger. Silva wrote: Comets are fast! It's hard to watch average NFL players and even convicts get into the NFL HOF while MLB struggles to acknowledge generational stars ~ in many cases careers like Dave Parker, Steve Garvey and Dale Murphy made the All Star team in almost every season in which they played. Maris is an extraordinary example of stardom. The HoF has never had standards as low as it did starting shortly after Maris retired and continuing on and off for about a decade, and it never will again. He then returned in Game 4 to pitch 3 1/3 perfect innings of relief to record the save before New York went on to win the Series in Game 5. I would think this guy would be in. Is this new new Crisser? Maris' first year in pinstripes, in 1960, netted him the first of two consecutive MVP awards. This is the short version. Collector since 1978. Unless otherwise specified my posts represent only my opinion, not fact. But his size doesn't guarantee anything. Given the number of legitimate reporters covering the race between him and Mantle and the number of fans attending the games, there is no possible way any of it could have been staged. For years I thought that breaking Ruths record all by itself should qualify him for the Hall, but you make a good argument. 1. Because (1) early in his career he struggled to earn playing time against left-handed pitching, and (2) he was injured frequently. The camera probably wasn't supposed to capture the upper deck. You may change your billing preferences at any time in the Customer Center or call Potentially one of the biggest days in baseball history. The Indians had a glut of outfielders in their organization and inexplicably ignored the 69 homers Maris hit in three seasons in their system. Sign In. But he just misses the bar for me. Yes, clearly they got every fan in the stadium to react at the same time and be in on the scam. He also worked at The News Journal in Wilmington, Del., and for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. The HOF has really gone downhill and has become the hall of pretty good so Maris should be in. Or have my sister do it. There was as similar spurt in 1969 and a lesser one in 1977. in which I wrote that his 61 home runs looked better than ever after a half century. There is pretty clearly no ball being thrown or hit in this video. His personal hitting coach helped Judge from the beginning of his Yankee career, teaching him a set of unorthodox swing mechanics which potentiate his power. A Gold Glove recipient in 1960, Maris career is best remembered for hitting 61 home runs in 1961, shattering a single-season home run record previously held by Babe Ruth. other than that, his whole career was pretty good not great. Pitching for the old Boston Braves in 1944, he threw a three-hit complete game shutout in 58 pitches. As they say in the legal system: I'd rather see a guilty man go free than an innocent man go to prison. Nobody is going to mistake George Kell or Bill Mazeroski for Cal Ripken or Reggie Jackson. Kell and Maz both got in ~ it doesnt tarnish Cal or Reggie in the least. I wrote a whole long rant and deleted it. Maybe he's the chosen one. The hit total would be the lowest of all position players who did not play in the negro leagues. And he's probably relatively even on fame with Joe Jackson. Dwight Evans.. Should Be In The Hall Of Fame. All welcome. How We Ranked Baseballs Greatest Players, Election of Baines lowers the bar for the Baseball Hall of Fame, Golden Days Era Ballot for Baseball Hall of Fame, The 100 Greatest Right Fielders of All-Time >, VIDEO: Curt Flood Misplays Ball in Game 7 of 1968 World Series, VIDEO: Montreal Expos First Game and First Home Opener, from 1969, https://baseballegg.com/all-time-player-rankings/baseballs-greatest-right-fielders-of-all-time/, Mo Vaughns Exit From the Red Sox was not Pretty, In 1969, Experts Thought These Were the Greatest Third Basemen, VIDEO: Fred McGriffs First Home Run for Tampa Bay. He really had little baseball left in him when he played his final games for the Cardinals in 1968. Coincidence? South Dakota?? Maybe roger never makes it to the Hall, thats ok. Roger Maris and Allie Reynolds, a pair of history-making contributors to separate Yankees championship squads, landed on the outside looking in as the Eras Committee welcomed six new members to the National Baseball Hall of Fame on Sunday. His defense was quite good. After 134 games, Maris remained at 51 home runs and Mantle at 48. It was Maris versus Ruth. He would have been.better off if he had played for the Red Sox; he hit well at Fenway.Too bad. Aaron Judge is 6' 7 and over 280 lbs. But what makes you think Chet Lemon would know who belongs in the Hall of Fame? That one was in the dirt. No, for decades the RBI stat (and homers) were extremely important to MVP voters. Maris received three or fewer votes from the 16-member committee appointed by the Hall of Fame to review a 10-candidate Golden Era ballot. A two-time Most Valuable Player (1960, 61) and seven-time All-Star, Maris starred from 1957-68 with the Indians, Athletics, Yankees and Cardinals. In the video his uniform is remarkably white for an away uniform. However, Roger was still five games ahead of the record pace by Ruth, whose 51st HR didn't come until his 139th game. Roger Maris Claim to fame: This October will mark the 50th anniversary of Roger Mariss 61st home run in the 1961 season. setting a record does not warrant induction. I do not believe he belongs in the Hall. It was one of the most exciting events I have ever witnessed. So you think Maris's 61 HR season is a fraud? Nobody seated in the upper deck. @reelinintheyears said: Personally, I regard Maris still to be baseballs season Home Run Leader, excluding Bonds, McGuire and Sosa. Maury Wills:In 1962, he stole a record-shattering 104 bases while being caught only 13 times. You will be charged in fact, it puts me very much in mind of Brady Anderson in the There were many others who hit 40 plus, that year. Eliminate 1956 and Mantle is still an HOFer. And Mickey went to North Dakota for Roger's funeral in 1985. Only 21,032 attended the game. How sweet. Ken Burns baseball docuseries says that Maris started getting death threats and hate mail and stuff when he got close to the record. Before then, he was a staff writer for the Dallas Morning News for two years. Be the first one to comment on this story. Would love your thoughts, please comment. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Tyler Kepner has covered the Yankees for The New York Times since 2002. This video would be real easy to edit too. By the end of his 12-year career, Maris went on to win three World Series Championships, two MVPs, and a Roger caught so much flak for his accomplishments that I wonder how it ended up affecting his play as well as his legacy. Or my brothers friend. Nobody, it seemed, wanted him to break Babe Ruth's record. Roger Maris and Allie Reynolds, a pair of history-making contributors to separate Yankees championship squads, landed on the outside looking in as the Eras Committee welcomed six new members to the National Baseball Hall of Fame on Sunday. In 1950, the Yankees swept the Phillies in four games. Now, he doesnt even have that. @CardGeek said: He was never a "scrawny kid" or "thin" like Bonds and McGuire were in their first few seasons. Maris is to Clemente, Kaline, Aaron, and Robinson as Kirk Gibson is to Reggie Jackson. Bunch of players ahead of Maris in the HOF discussion. His strongest showing on the BBWAA ballot was in 1968, when he received 33.6 percent of the vote. Pretty much the only thing that I've learned about baseball and sports cards in the past few years is that I don't want to be involved. He doesn't have the number to be a hall of It's like the 1974 MVP races where there was no reason to vote for either winner. He was a very good player with a short-ish career containing two elite seasons (1960 and 1961, when he won the AL MVP both times and broke Babe Ruth's home run record during the latter season). Kind of like Tiger Woods. Given the number of legitimate reporters covering the race between him and Mantle and the number of fans attending the games, there is no possible way any of it could have been staged. When he hit the 61st home run I screamed so loud I had a headache for about a week." in fact, it puts me very much in mind of Brady Anderson in the mid 90s. If "incredibly famous for a few short years" is a criterion, then Canseco, Mattingly, Strawberry, Gooden, and Hershiser should all be in. But I hate it when we make the argument on stats and conjecture. the latest updates from spring training. He can be reached atpwdonovan22@yahoo.com. Many players who were only slightly above average and for a short time were enshrined in those years. I respectfully disagree. Yes I know Namath is already in. I'm going to back away from your examples of Kell and Mazeroski and replace them with Baines and Hunter. The introverted outfielder dealt with such stress that his hair began to fall out. as for the HOF, he had a 2 year anomaly, then was fairly average. F Craig was a three-time Super Bowl champion and four-time Pro Bowl player. The HOF has really gone downhill and has become the hall of pretty good so Maris should be in. I would not be shocked if either/both made it someday from the Veterans committee. It's bleeding over in to MTG. Personally, I regard Maris still to be baseballs season Home Run Leader, excluding Bonds, McGuire and Sosa. As an insult to Roger and what he was about to accomplish, the Yankees never hyped the game the way they should have. I'm sure it lead to his career being so short. "We've only got a handful of people sitting out in left field," Rizzuto continued, " but in right field, man, it's hogged out there. I don't know the math. I remember the pressure he was under from Mantle fans and the sports writers who didnt want him breaking the Babes record because he was not a hoeeme grown Yankee ( brutal treatment everyday in 1961) hes a hall of fame human being if not a ballplayer but in my boo hes both!!! Were gathering again for a baseball Hot Stove Luncheon (with a dash of NFL, too) on Thursday, Jan. 20 at 11:45 a.m. at Palm Valley Country Club in Palm Desert. I agree that one great season does not make a Hall of Famer. Should say North Dakota, sorry about the error. Maris stood out, but many had career years in these two years - Cash, Gentile, Davis among others. Honestly I don't care one way or the other. There are numerous right fielders more deserving. Read21 hours ago | Lance Morrow, Article viewed iconAn icon to mark the viewed articles He had great impact in his era. Maris was elected MVP in 1960 because he led the league in RBI. The right fielder, if he's in the frame at all, when the ball is hit he is standing about 1 foot from the wall. Roger Maris, who had to be drained both physically and emotionally faced 24-year-old Red Sox right-hander Tracy Stallard. With all due respect, I still think Mariss Read2 hours ago | Michael Doran, Article viewed iconAn icon to mark the viewed articles He won one Gold Glove, and in 1967 he drove in seven runs in the World Series. You will be notified in advance of any changes in rate or terms. We would spend one season with Cleveland and the Oakland Athletics before being traded to the New York Yankees in a seven-player deal in December 1959. @ScoobyDoo2 said: He played for four different teams (Cleveland Indians, Kansas City Royals, New York Yankees and St. Louis Cardinals). We could all stipulate that anybody who experienced an injury during the grueling season could have done it. The HR record non- withstanding, Maris was a 7-time all-star and 2-time MVP. I remember the newspapers and sports magazines were trying to create an adversary relationship between Roger and Mickey. Excellent article. That's how news traveled back then. Pete Donovan is a Palm Desert resident and former Los Angeles Times sports reporter. It was the Yankees versus the Red Sox. The game took 1 hour, 15 minutes. Yankee fans and baseball fans should be screaming loud now - perhaps the guys on the Veterans Committee will hear you. Maybe, the HOF should create a gallery of MVPS and longstanding major record holders( not to mention greatest defensive players and players who were chosen by their peers for All Star games or the current day Outstanding Player Award).Then, visitors.would better understand and appreciate great baseball, and Roger Maris would be well represented in the Hall. The defensive play of the Series, recalls Ralph Terry, the winning pitcher, in the excellent new biography, Roger Maris, Baseballs Reluctant Hero, by Tom Clavin and Danny Peary. Was it just his big lead in RBI to the extent of everything else? And in the early 1960s, if you drove in a lot of runs and played for the pennant-winning team, you basically won the MVP. also the beat writer for the New Jersey Nets' 1990-1991 season and covered college basketball, college football and wrote for the Metro section. The NL did not expand to 10 teams until 1962. Where have you gone, Red Barrett? 1 year, 4 months. If Aaron Judge eclipses him, itll be quite an accomplishment. Fastball, hit deep to right! Author If Aaron Judge eclipses him, itll be quite an At least he was a Yankee. When Is A Future Hall Of Fame Manager Not Missed? The ball traveled just 360 feet and slammed into box l63D of section 33 into the sixth row of the lower deck in right field. He had a 32-home run, 105 RBIs and 26 stolen bases season for KC and ran for 221 yards in a game for the Raiders, a record for Monday Night Football which still stands. Number 60 came at Yankee Stadium off Baltimore's Bill Fisher on September 26. His 38.2 WAR ranks him 595th overall, tied with Ray Langford and Bill Madlock. The online betting stuff really bothers me too. I have wavered on this myself. Bo Jackson: Maybe the best of all two-sport athletes. Put them both in. The dude in the stands has a ball. Thanks for visiting the website. It's clear that Maris is below the HOF cut, given the length and quality of his overall career. This month, Maris is among ten players on the Golden Days Era Ballot for Baseball Hall of Fame consideration. Coinflation, Previous transactions: Wondercoin, goldman86, dmarks, Type2. He was a two time (consecutive) American League MVP, a seven time All Star (1959-1962 2 All Star games a year), and a Gold Glove outfielder. Instead of being his crowning achievement, the race to 61 was a miserable experience filled with stress and ridicule. Maris would be a very unusual selection for the Hall of Fame. They were games 152,153 and 154. He was a great player for the few seasons he played. I just watched 61 the other day. The Hall of Fame DOES have a records room which celebrates record holders and award winners, etc. Maris received three or fewer votes from the 16-member committee appointed by the Hall of Fame to review a 10-candidate Golden Era ballot. "He threw me a pitch outside and I just went with it," Maris would say later. Clearly, Maris was a very good player as evidenced by his 1960 MVP. ", Roger Maris hit his 61st home run exactly 61 years ago today in 1961. Ill gladly disagree with the author, he was not alive to enjoy what that did for baseball! As far as Cardgeek is concerned, I suppose the earth is flat and the moon landings were staged in Hollywood. a few of his seasons were Hall of Fame level. Sadly, and bizarrely, the players considered by the various Committees aren't even close to the best players from their eras who aren't enshrined. Since 1998, he has served as the newspaper's national baseball writer. Players like Hack Wilson, Cardinal Red Schoendienst, Yankee shortstop Phil Rizzuto, and Philly Richie Ashburn. Maris, a two-time AL MVP who hit 61 home runs in 1961 to break Babe Ruth's single-season record, received 43.1% in his final BBWAA ballot appearance in 1988. Even Yankee fans failed to embrace him; they instead saw him as a threat to their hero, Mickey Mantle, as well as to the legacy of Ruth. If Joe Namath is in the Football HOF, then I believe Roger Maris should also be in the baseball HOF. Last Friday, the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum named baseball legend Roger Maris to their 10-person Golden Days Era Committee ballot. Boston pitchers shut out Maris in the first two games. 61 on the last day of the season. Because except for a a couple seasons, he basically was average https://bleacherreport.com/articles/221894-the-king-without-a-crown-should-roger-maris-be-in-the-hall-of-fame. I didn't know it was fake when I started this thread. The announcer and the right fielder had no doubt. In the fourth inning, Maris came to bat again. Others were glad I mentioned that Maris led the 1960s with World Series appearances seven, including four championships and that he was the most valuable player in 1960 and 1961. Yankees fans appreciate their team honoring Roger Maris and the 50th anniversary of his 61 in '61. Please put in The Cobra and Munson! shrug My mom has a cesarean scar. Too young to see Maris in his best years. Mantle was the favorite; Maris who had come to the Yankees in a trade with Kansas City was the outsider. But he actually only had five seasons where he qualified for the batting title. Personally, I regard Maris still to be baseballs season Home Run Leader, excluding Bonds, McGuire and Sosa. There were over 500 other baseball players during this expansion era and they did not hit 61 home runs. This last is simply not true. Rogers swing was crafted by Zeus for the right field dimensions of Yankee Stadium, and in his first season in The Bronx, Maris hit 39 home runs and led the league in runs batted in. Thats a pretty unusual opinion. In the NL my childhood hero, Orlando Cepeda hit .311 with 46 home runs and an astounding 142 RBIs. He was not a (61) one-hit wonder: Roger Maris was a very good ballplayer. PCGS | I have always argued that Maris was essentially a better than average player, aside from a couple standout years, and not overall HOF material. Maris hit 13 homers against the Senators and Angels. Today, no one pitches back-to-back complete games! I wouldnt agree that Maris was the best right fielder in baseball for half his career. "I hated to see the record broken," Phil Rizzuto said. Expert He was critical for 5 pennants and 2 world series for Yankees. Ford Frick was a sports writer and broadcaster before he became NL president in the late 30s and commissioner of baseball in the late 50s. [deleted] 9 yr. ago All though looking at the teammates that Roger played with he was a key player on the Yankees and Cardinals. Baseball seemed offended that someone dared to beat Ruths unparalleled feat. The only evidence of Mazeroski's homer is seeing Yogi Berra looking up dejectedly and Mazeroski circling the bases. What if I'm a professional athlete and I use my nieces phone to bet the under. Please at least get your facts correct? He absolutely legitimately hit 61 in '61, no ifs and or buts about it!!! However, you could also argue that average HOF players gained an advantage from specific feats or a brief stint of dominance, where the career numbers don't quite seem to say HOF career. What if a lot of people had money on Maris not breaking this record and the commissioner just gave it to him for publicity. WebThe only reason he still gets consideration is because of the 6 World Series he won with the Yanks because he was a phenomenal pitcher and post-season pitcher who played for one of the winningest dynasties in baseball history. Just 2-3 great seasons and a few more really good seasons isnt enough. it is entirely possible that Maris cheated on his way to 61 as it certainly was a statistical anomaly for him. Maybe I see your point about Joe Jackson. Now it is October 1, 1961, the last game of the season. During his career Roger Maris never received the credit he deserved. He was a quiet family type guy that wanted little to do with the press & I think that hurt him! I admit I wanted Mickey to break the record, but after he was out of the race I was routing for Roger. Have you heard of Honus Wagner, Derek Jeter, Cal Ripken and host of others? There is no doubt he is 1 of my favorite Yankees. As Ive written elsewhere in this book, in the 1950s the Kansas City As were nothing more than a feeder team for the Yankees. Meanwhile, in 1927, Babe Ruth hit his 48th and 49th homers in his 134th game. Why isn't Roger Maris in the hall of fame? I don't know, but that's the sort of conversation we should have had. Mickey was quoted saying "Roger was one of my best friends. Barry Bonds was trained to be a baseball player since he was a child. They cite the 12 seasons (six mediocre, six increasingly brilliant) by Sandy Koufax and the injury-shortened career of Dizzy Dean (nine full seasons and only one Reporters from all over the country had converged upon Yankee Stadium. I hate that Golden Gloves are just throw away facts when considering the HOF. Bobby Thomson: His 1951 Shot Heard Round The World that won the pennant for the New York Giants (over those poor Brooklyn Dodgers) remains the most famous home run in history. Of course I didnt but It would suck to be labeled a thief without any evidence. @53BKid said: When truck driver Sal Durante sought to give Maris the ball he had caught in the stands, the star declined, insisting that Durante should receive the bounty. Where did you get the idea that Larry Bowa had the most hits by a shortstop? Granted, it has been a few years since I have been to the HOF, but I would argue that, sans a plaque, Maris is as much in the HOF as some of those with plaques. The underlying current, of course, is the apparent involvement of latter-day sluggers with body-building steroids, which were not used in the day of Henry Aaron, Maris and Ruth. And the boos get louderTwo balls, no strikes on Roger Maris. WebThe "M&M Boys" were the duo of New York Yankees baseball players Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris, who were teammates from 1960 to 1966.They gained prominence during the 1961 season, when Maris and Mantle, batting third and cleanup (fourth) in the Yankee lineup respectively, both challenged Babe Ruth's 34-year-old single-season record of 60 home I've always been a big Maris fan, but don't see how it would be possible to make it into the Hall after an 11-year career. I also wouldn't mind seeing Mattingly, Murph and KHernandez either. If I may point out,the collectors of baseball data are implying that all inductees do not need a special numeric threshold to be inducted. Its not the first time his name has been on a special committee ballot, but given the advanced analysis we have today for evaluating ballplayers, this time the former Yankee slugger has as good a chance as any to be elected. News Corp is a global, diversified media and information services company focused on creating and distributing authoritative and engaging content and other products and services. He was willing to go to any length to ensure that it did not happen to the point of stating Ruth's record woudl stand as it took place in 154 games whereas Maris needed 161 games. Maris hit 58 homers in the first 154 games (the length of the schedule when Babe Ruth set the single-season record), and finished with 61. Maris for the Hall. Last night, Aaron Judge surpassed Roger Maris for both the New York Yankees' single-season home run record as well as the American League home run record. And yet you call yourself CardGeek. Sixty-one for Maris!". We could all stipulate that Mick could have beaten it. I was in my early teens in 61 and remember the home run race well. Or that Jose Molina or David Wells knows enough about baseball history to know who should get a plaque? In 15 years on the Baseball Writers' Association of America ballot, Maris peaked at 43.1% of the vote in 1988, his 15th and final year of BBWAA eligibility. Roger Maris: Many still believe his 61 home runs in 1961 is still the single-season home run record. A two-time Most Readmore, The Mets maybe should, but most assuredly wont, defy all expectations and make a legitimate bid to lure Robinson Cano away from the Yankees.Readmore, The Yankees are waiting to hear whether Curtis Granderson will accept their qualifying offer, and set their outfield for 2014, or test the market and send the Yankees chasing another free agent. His baserunning in some seasons was extraordinary. He earned a football scholarship to Oklahoma, but didnt like campus life and left in his freshman year to sign a contract with the Cleveland Indians. In the 60s-90s and most of the 2000s most people couldn't even watch this video easily. But in 61 had 20 fresh, inexperienced, lesser pitchers to face in expansion teams and across the league. But claiming he is ANYWHERE near Kaline or Clemente with the glove is just silly. Maris was shut out during a twi-night doubleheader (games 152 and 153). En route to his second MVP award, Maris hit a then-record of 61 home runs while driving 141 RBIs. I was 14 years old and an eye witness to the duel in 1961 between Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris for Babe Ruths 60-dinger record from 1927. By the end of June he had hit 27 and by the end of July Maris had hit 40 home runs. Before last night, both of these records were shared by both Maris and Judge for 61 total home runs. The announcer calls it as soon as Maris swings. Great movie. He was an MVP the year before he broke the HR record (and the year he broke it too).
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